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		<title>By: A Dragon Named Voyager &#171; RG Sanders / The Gentleman Highwayman</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Dragon Named Voyager &#171; RG Sanders / The Gentleman Highwayman</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] be it a Sir, a rascal&#8230; a farm boy with a mysterious heritage (here&#8217;s looking at you, Cir), another could opt for the mercenary, the space soldier or the mutated super-human farm boy with a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cirellio</title>
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		<dc:creator>cirellio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo-hoo! Welcome back from the trip, Steph No.1!!! I missed ya a lot. 
There&#039;s no shame, here. You could score 100% and I wouldn&#039;t think less of you. I&#039;d easily read a book that had half of these cliches. This list was just pure silliness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo-hoo! Welcome back from the trip, Steph No.1!!! I missed ya a lot.<br />
There&#8217;s no shame, here. You could score 100% and I wouldn&#8217;t think less of you. I&#8217;d easily read a book that had half of these cliches. This list was just pure silliness.</p>
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		<title>By: aeronwy</title>
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		<dc:creator>aeronwy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, this was great!  Since I haven&#039;t started writing my novel yet, I can&#039;t truthfully do this list.  But based off notes, the answer&#039;s two.

If were were two do any of the two previous novels I wrote... um... *cough*... never mind.  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, this was great!  Since I haven&#8217;t started writing my novel yet, I can&#8217;t truthfully do this list.  But based off notes, the answer&#8217;s two.</p>
<p>If were were two do any of the two previous novels I wrote&#8230; um&#8230; *cough*&#8230; never mind.  :P</p>
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		<title>By: cirellio</title>
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		<dc:creator>cirellio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hm. Time to cheat a little! :) 

For 2, since my character is NOT a farmhand and only has ONE mysterious parent, I&#039;m going to have to say it&#039;s only worth threes in a repeating-decimalistic fashion. 
(+.333 et al) LOL...

For 9, the characters are more like demi-gods. And they are certainly not &#039;in disguise&#039;. So &#039;No&#039;.

For 27, my prologue isn&#039;t difficult at all to understand after the trilogy is done being read. And technically it&#039;s not impossible to understand it from the get-go if you know a lot about mythology. &#039;No&#039; again.

For 28, there&#039;s no wiggle room here. I get the full point. 
(+1.00)

For 38, I misread it! I thought they were talking about the name of the village, not the name of the people. I do actually hate it when fantasy authors name characters stuff like Tim or fsadjf&#039;jslajf. They should have worded it &quot;Do you see &lt;del&gt;nothing&lt;/del&gt; &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; wrong with having two characters &lt;del&gt;from the same small isolated village being&lt;/del&gt; named “Tim Umber” and “Belthusalanthalus al’Grinsok” &lt;em&gt;from the same isolated village&lt;/em&gt;? 
I mean, c&#039;mon... I should get a free minus one for that. xD
(+0.00) 

For 48, again, there&#039;s no wiggle room. 
(+1.00)

For 49, I&#039;m going to say &#039;No&#039; now, because if that character were to divulge information too soon, the result would be: the characters would fail. There&#039;s a great plot reason in place why this character would be very interested in withholding important information. 

For 51, I haven&#039;t used the term &#039;mana&#039; yet, so I may as well give myself the benefit of the doubt! :P 
Another &#039;No&#039;.

For 52, Another stinkin&#039; misread! I didn&#039;t realize they were talking about &#039;plate&#039; and &#039;mail&#039; being together as a single idea. I guess that&#039;s what I get for carelessly taking this survey while I was busy at work. I never use the term &#039;platemail&#039; in my notes or books ... or anywhere. So &#039;No&#039;.

For 60, since I know the correct weight of swords and have used them before, I&#039;m giving myself the non-point. While most swords weigh 3 to 5 lbs, there are plenty of decorative and two-man swords out there that *do* weigh over 10 lbs. &#039;No&#039; again.

For 64, I&#039;m going to assume we have a competent archer and a clear shot instead of the madness of a battle where an arrow could nick your leg. If that&#039;s the case, the answer is &#039;No&#039;.

For 69, since it specifically states &#039;in your world&#039;, I can ignore the extensive side-notes I have and get away with saying &#039;No&#039;. 

For 73, it&#039;s not that nobody thought to take the treasures, it&#039;s that few people actually make it far enough inside of those places before they turn tail and flee. &#039;No&#039;!

All right. New grand total: 2.3333333~. Much better !!!
Who&#039;s the man now, dog???!
PS-&gt; And yush, I was being facetious. ^_^;;;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hm. Time to cheat a little! :) </p>
<p>For 2, since my character is NOT a farmhand and only has ONE mysterious parent, I&#8217;m going to have to say it&#8217;s only worth threes in a repeating-decimalistic fashion.<br />
(+.333 et al) LOL&#8230;</p>
<p>For 9, the characters are more like demi-gods. And they are certainly not &#8216;in disguise&#8217;. So &#8216;No&#8217;.</p>
<p>For 27, my prologue isn&#8217;t difficult at all to understand after the trilogy is done being read. And technically it&#8217;s not impossible to understand it from the get-go if you know a lot about mythology. &#8216;No&#8217; again.</p>
<p>For 28, there&#8217;s no wiggle room here. I get the full point.<br />
(+1.00)</p>
<p>For 38, I misread it! I thought they were talking about the name of the village, not the name of the people. I do actually hate it when fantasy authors name characters stuff like Tim or fsadjf&#8217;jslajf. They should have worded it &#8220;Do you see <del>nothing</del> <em>anything</em> wrong with having two characters <del>from the same small isolated village being</del> named “Tim Umber” and “Belthusalanthalus al’Grinsok” <em>from the same isolated village</em>?<br />
I mean, c&#8217;mon&#8230; I should get a free minus one for that. xD<br />
(+0.00) </p>
<p>For 48, again, there&#8217;s no wiggle room.<br />
(+1.00)</p>
<p>For 49, I&#8217;m going to say &#8216;No&#8217; now, because if that character were to divulge information too soon, the result would be: the characters would fail. There&#8217;s a great plot reason in place why this character would be very interested in withholding important information. </p>
<p>For 51, I haven&#8217;t used the term &#8216;mana&#8217; yet, so I may as well give myself the benefit of the doubt! :P<br />
Another &#8216;No&#8217;.</p>
<p>For 52, Another stinkin&#8217; misread! I didn&#8217;t realize they were talking about &#8216;plate&#8217; and &#8216;mail&#8217; being together as a single idea. I guess that&#8217;s what I get for carelessly taking this survey while I was busy at work. I never use the term &#8216;platemail&#8217; in my notes or books &#8230; or anywhere. So &#8216;No&#8217;.</p>
<p>For 60, since I know the correct weight of swords and have used them before, I&#8217;m giving myself the non-point. While most swords weigh 3 to 5 lbs, there are plenty of decorative and two-man swords out there that *do* weigh over 10 lbs. &#8216;No&#8217; again.</p>
<p>For 64, I&#8217;m going to assume we have a competent archer and a clear shot instead of the madness of a battle where an arrow could nick your leg. If that&#8217;s the case, the answer is &#8216;No&#8217;.</p>
<p>For 69, since it specifically states &#8216;in your world&#8217;, I can ignore the extensive side-notes I have and get away with saying &#8216;No&#8217;. </p>
<p>For 73, it&#8217;s not that nobody thought to take the treasures, it&#8217;s that few people actually make it far enough inside of those places before they turn tail and flee. &#8216;No&#8217;!</p>
<p>All right. New grand total: 2.3333333~. Much better !!!<br />
Who&#8217;s the man now, dog???!<br />
PS-&gt; And yush, I was being facetious. ^_^;;;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. food for thought. most are laughable, but several i&#039;m guilty of. i do agree w/ steph, tho, that there are certain genre expections that must be fulfilled. i&#039;m also thinking that i haven&#039;t read enough of what&#039;s out there because i didn&#039;t realize of of these were so cliche&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. food for thought. most are laughable, but several i&#8217;m guilty of. i do agree w/ steph, tho, that there are certain genre expections that must be fulfilled. i&#8217;m also thinking that i haven&#8217;t read enough of what&#8217;s out there because i didn&#8217;t realize of of these were so cliche&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cirellio! You do not suck. Your book is so detailed and well thought out, no one will even notice a mere 13 things this one person has deemed cliché and bad. 

I suspect you&#039;re being facetious, but anyway. Just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cirellio! You do not suck. Your book is so detailed and well thought out, no one will even notice a mere 13 things this one person has deemed cliché and bad. </p>
<p>I suspect you&#8217;re being facetious, but anyway. Just in case.</p>
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		<title>By: cirellio</title>
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		<dc:creator>cirellio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, eliza, just two? And Donna only got one. I totally suck! xD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, eliza, just two? And Donna only got one. I totally suck! xD</p>
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		<title>By: elizaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I got #19 and #37 out of that list.  

My Saffira is a very quiet woman who is usually seen playing cards or standing  off to the side,  but her room is littered with human skulls, and my hero knows for a fact that she&#039;s a cannibal. So yes, better a sword than a frying pan, but either one is fairly twitch-worthy.

And partway through the book, my hero Rylan talks about his past, and mentions that he was originally foreign, and that his full name was Rhyliandanious.

I don&#039;t think they count, exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I got #19 and #37 out of that list.  </p>
<p>My Saffira is a very quiet woman who is usually seen playing cards or standing  off to the side,  but her room is littered with human skulls, and my hero knows for a fact that she&#8217;s a cannibal. So yes, better a sword than a frying pan, but either one is fairly twitch-worthy.</p>
<p>And partway through the book, my hero Rylan talks about his past, and mentions that he was originally foreign, and that his full name was Rhyliandanious.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they count, exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: cirellio</title>
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		<dc:creator>cirellio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry - no deleting happening here - this was all just funnery. 
I could probably count the number of fantasy novels that don&#039;t use the words &#039;plate&#039; &amp; &#039;mail&#039; on one fingerless hand. 
I agree that there is value to sticking with the genre cliches, but there is also &#039;evolution&#039; if we find new interesting ways to pull off the same genre. 
A better way to describe my aim: to evolve high fantasy; give people another way to do it, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry &#8211; no deleting happening here &#8211; this was all just funnery.<br />
I could probably count the number of fantasy novels that don&#8217;t use the words &#8216;plate&#8217; &amp; &#8216;mail&#8217; on one fingerless hand.<br />
I agree that there is value to sticking with the genre cliches, but there is also &#8216;evolution&#8217; if we find new interesting ways to pull off the same genre.<br />
A better way to describe my aim: to evolve high fantasy; give people another way to do it, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, so PS. Don&#039;t delete Five Rings. Thirteen out of seventy-five is really not bad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, so PS. Don&#8217;t delete Five Rings. Thirteen out of seventy-five is really not bad!</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew! Doesn&#039;t leave a lot of room for a story, does it? 

When I first saw this questionnaire on the net, I thought it a bit unfair. Some I would definitely agree are not good things (the hit points one was hilarious!) to include in your novel. But to a certain extent, if you go way off base with your fantasy, there will be nothing recognizable for fantasy fans to relate to. People who prefer genre fiction generally prefer it because it delivers elements they expect and actually like. There are certain characteristics that define fantasy fiction, and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s all bad.

If your fantasy is TOO far out, people will have a hard with it. I think there&#039;s something to be said for honouring the genre but without being cliché at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew! Doesn&#8217;t leave a lot of room for a story, does it? </p>
<p>When I first saw this questionnaire on the net, I thought it a bit unfair. Some I would definitely agree are not good things (the hit points one was hilarious!) to include in your novel. But to a certain extent, if you go way off base with your fantasy, there will be nothing recognizable for fantasy fans to relate to. People who prefer genre fiction generally prefer it because it delivers elements they expect and actually like. There are certain characteristics that define fantasy fiction, and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s all bad.</p>
<p>If your fantasy is TOO far out, people will have a hard with it. I think there&#8217;s something to be said for honouring the genre but without being cliché at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: RG Sanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>RG Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, that&#039;s actually quite funny.

Thirteen, that&#039;s not bad. It&#039;s not 50%, nor is it 25% - at least you have a good chunk of originality in your ripped-off world o_O

I jest. Anyway after all these years, it does get more difficult to create really, REALLY new things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, that&#8217;s actually quite funny.</p>
<p>Thirteen, that&#8217;s not bad. It&#8217;s not 50%, nor is it 25% &#8211; at least you have a good chunk of originality in your ripped-off world o_O</p>
<p>I jest. Anyway after all these years, it does get more difficult to create really, REALLY new things.</p>
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